Curse

ArcaneApostle · Nov 21, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

I was under the impression that you got the title for willingly exploring the world, not grudgingly hunting for a tiny smudged area on the map; that could be considered a form of grinding, no?

/sign

(even if it wasn't their intent...it should be!

)

MithranArkanere · Nov 22, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Yup It's not:
'I want the game to show me the way'
'I've been in all the maps, and comparing my map to other 100% maps, it's the same. So I explored all of them again and got no more %. So...
What I am missing?!?!'

Whith this, you go to each area and hit U. you see then if you have 100% or not of that area, but NO were to go in that are to get it, so you'll have to fully explore it. And there are some unreachable areas that will still make that % do not show 100%, so you'll have to explore these areas again to know that.

JEC006 · Nov 27, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

I must agree that searching out that last couple percent is definately alot like grinding...

/sign

Dougal Kronik · Nov 28, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

Of course it's "grinding"!

Quit crying and either grind away to get your coveted titled like so many others have, or admit you aren't up to the challenge and go do something else.

You don't have to be a GMC to play the game! That's for players who want some extra content and have something to show for putting in the extra effort!

Bo Azum · Nov 28, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

/not signed.

Although I'm at 99% exploration on all continents, and I'm hurting to find the last percentages, I still do not want the game to show me where to go. It would take off the excitement, when I finally get it, if ever. If not, then not, and then kudos to those who do.

a_ndy · Nov 28, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15

I think a problem with this idea is that you don't actually need to scrape every single corner of the map to get 100% exploration.

Because of that, you'd be able to have the Grandmaster Cartographer title but there would be areas on your map that say like 99.7% still... and that would kind of detract from feeling like you have 100% map completion, wouldn't it?

Dalimoor_Kalkire · Nov 28, 2006, 06:49 AM // 06:49

/not signed for many of the above reasons already stated.

Lafayette · Nov 28, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Not signed.

It's not as if map completion is difficult. All it takes is dedication. Were this implemented it would most certainly make it too easy, and titles aren't generally meant be a piece of cake, right? Besides, it lessens the achievement of those who have Grandmaster cartography titles.

Epinephrine · Nov 28, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

This takes all the fun out of searching for the missing bits. It would make the title easily obtained by anyone, as they wouldn't even have to work at it. Big no.

Clobimon · Nov 28, 2006, 05:18 PM // 17:18

I'll respond in similar fashion as I did the last time this was suggested. I have GM for all three so I know how it gets a little frustrating to find the last tenths. Elona was by far the easiest for me in that it took just three night 'sessions' to find the last .3%. After completing it there's a sense of accomplishment and pride in knowing you did it. If they add an arrow or glowing effect pointing at your missing areas that would really detract from the accomplishment. Adding a % missing in a given area is essentially the same thing. Just keep working on it and as soon as you hit 100% you'll be so much happier to have gotten it without neon signs showing the way. You'll get 'er

brosse · Nov 28, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

No,

If you really want gmc, work for it. And yes of course it's grinding, just like pretty much every title, that's why they're there, to keep you busy.
Just be thorough while exploring and this title is a piece of cake on any continent.

Clawdius_Talonious · Nov 28, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

I've spent hours upon hours looking for .1%, if that, of a map... I have been infuriated walking against a wall for what would in real life be a kilometer, just because it looked like I should be able to get more and I never could get the little spot to uncover... I would love to be able to look at something and KNOW I was missing parts there, rather than thinking I was missing a spot and wasting an hour clearing Snake Dance again for no good reason.

/signed

Sniper22 · Nov 28, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

/signed

It's so BS that you have to wall hug for weeks just to get like 2%. Seriously, there is no reason to say no, unless you want it to be a showoff title that says "I spent 200 hours trying to get the last 2% for 100% map exploration - I rule"

Clobimon · Nov 28, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18

additional civil comments

How would you feel if they added the feature immediately after you hit 100%? You just spent all that time searching everywhere and finally got it just to have it suddenly become nothing special at all because there are 'road maps' telling everyone where they have to go.

That brings me to this comment...
There are already posts all over about how KoaBD is sooo easy to get by attaining Protectors and Cartographers. I think it's threads like this one that show that Grandmaster isn't a given, it takes a lot of time for some to get it. The perseverance in searching is the challenge along with some of the areas being more difficult to fully explore. Not to sound snide, but % indicators would almost be like having an area you enter that has 100 chests all lined up in pretty rows for Treasure Hunter.

Again, as soon you get 100 you'll have much more pride in what you did if it's not handed to you. It's not about showing off, it's about a feeling of achievement for yourself.

Div · Nov 28, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Though it'd be a great addition making mapping so much easier, all this does is cheapen the grandmaster cartographer title.

/notsigned

MithranArkanere · Nov 28, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clobimon

additional civil comments

How would you feel if they added the feature immediately after you hit 100%? You just spent all that time searching everywhere and finally got it just to have it suddenly become nothing special at all because there are 'road maps' telling everyone where they have to go.

That brings me to this comment...
There are already posts all over about how KoaBD is sooo easy to get by attaining Protectors and Cartographers. I think it's threads like this one that show that Grandmaster isn't a given, it takes a lot of time for some to get it. The perseverance in searching is the challenge along with some of the areas being more difficult to fully explore. Not to sound snide, but % indicators would almost be like having an area you enter that has 100 chests all lined up in pretty rows for Treasure Hunter.

Again, as soon you get 100 you'll have much more pride in what you did if it's not handed to you. It's not about showing off, it's about a feeling of achievement for yourself.

I still have Elonian 100% and I won't care about that.

This feature would just tell you if the map is 100% completed or not.
This won't tell you if that map is completable or not.
Remember that there are maps that can't be completed, even if you grind all the walls.

I also explored the Undercity before they buried it, and now I can't get the % for the Skyway, baceuse the map was revealed by going to the undercity. But when they cahnged it, the % of the Undercity disapeared form my % of the title, and I can't get the % from the Skyway.

I just want to know how many maps I have under 98% to redo them, not where to go.

MithranArkanere · Nov 28, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clobimon

additional civil comments

How would you feel if they added the feature immediately after you hit 100%? You just spent all that time searching everywhere and finally got it just to have it suddenly become nothing special at all because there are 'road maps' telling everyone where they have to go.

I still have Elonian 100% and I won't care about that. After beating 100%, I still had more than 5% unexplored without hall hugging or grinding.

This feature would just tell you if the map is 100% completed or not.
This won't tell you if that map is completable or not.
Remember that there are maps that can't be completed, even if you grind all the walls.

I also explored the Undercity before they buried it, and now I can't get the % for the Skyway, baceuse the map was revealed by going to the undercity. But when they cahnged it, the % of the Undercity disapeared form my % of the title, and I can't get the % from the Skyway.

I just want to know how many maps I have under 98% to redo them, not where to go.

They could make a recaltulation of sort to Canthan maps, because I can't still beleive that I'm missing more than 3% will all the map explored, hugged and grinded and all.

Praetor · Nov 29, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

/notsigned

100% Tyrian Grand Master Cartographer isn't so special all of a sudden...

Warrior Of The Toon · Nov 29, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Maybe the problem of demeaining the Grand Master Cartographer title could be avoided by.. Making it so that you can visit some NPC and unlock the option once per character (make him a map maker or w/e) but if you do this and get 100% it does not count towards the Kind Of A Big Deal track, and maybe the title could be slightly changed depending on if you've 'cheated' or not, for example (a bad one) High Master Cartographer.

Kai Nui · Nov 29, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

/notsigned

why? Because for a complete title, it's just too easy as opposed to Wisdom or Drunkard title. It takes out the concept that you are getting the title by actually looking and finding these parts and mapping them. Not to mention that when finishing these titles up, I ended up unblurring a lot of map within towns themselves, so you'd have to have it display on towns aswell. I just don't see that happening, but that's just me.